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Hendrina Link-Scholte(n) (NED, 1686?-1797)

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Hendrina Link-Scholte(n) was a Dutch woman who claimed to have been born in November 1686 in Deventer, Overijssel (?) and died on 20 April 1797 in Hoorn, North Holland at the claimed age of at least 110 years, 141 days. According to LQ, possible evidence of documents supporting her age have been presented in November 2023. Her case was already 'discovered' by January 1966. If her final age is able to be verified, that means that, at the time of their deaths, both Geert Adriaans Boomgaard (1788-1899) and Gerarda Hurenkamp-Bosgoed (1870-1980) were never the oldest Dutch person ever (!).

20 April 1797 death confirmation

Newspaper obituary (Amsterdamse Courant, 25 April 1797, page 3). This source claims she was born in Deventer.

 

I myself couldn't find any birth and/or mid-life documents, so credits to researcher Van Dijk for that.


   
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Some very interesting details above and I also note the article from Jimmy Lindberg which has also been reproduced on this site.

This will be a wonderful validation - if achievable - for numerous reasons.


   
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It'd surely be an astounding validation, but I must mention she married at "39" and had a child at almost "49"...

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Posted by: @024tomi

It'd surely be an astounding validation, but I must mention she married at "39" and had a child at almost "49"...

Not impossible. Flarid Lagerlund's mother had her at age 49.5.

 


   
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Not impossible - but certainly 20-25 years later than we may have expected in those times.


   
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Not impossible - but a certainly 20-25 years later than we may have expected in those times.

There were no other children?

If so, two hypotheses:

1. She was significantly younger than claimed.

2. She wanted to become a spinster but changed her mind before it was too late.

For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinster

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_European_marriage_pattern

"The Western European marriage pattern is a family and demographic pattern that is marked by comparatively late marriage (in the middle twenties), especially for women, with a generally small age difference between the spouses, a significant proportion (up to a third) of people who remain unmarried, and the establishment of a neolocal household after the couple has married."

 


   
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Posted by: @024tomi

It'd surely be an astounding validation, but I must mention she married at "39" and had a child at almost "49"...

Not impossible. Flarid Lagerlund's mother had her at age 49.5.

 

Of course not impossible, but do you realize the enormous difference between "[probability of a 18th-century supercentenarian] × [probability of a woman having a child]" and "[probability of a 18th-century supercentenarian] × [probability of a woman having a child at 49]"? 

 

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Posted by: @024tomi

Posted by: @futurist

Posted by: @024tomi

It'd surely be an astounding validation, but I must mention she married at "39" and had a child at almost "49"...

Not impossible. Flarid Lagerlund's mother had her at age 49.5.

 

Of course not impossible, but do you realize the enormous difference between "[probability of a 18th-century supercentenarian] × [probability of a woman having a child]" and "[probability of a 18th-century supercentenarian] × [probability of a woman having a child at 49]"? 

 

Yeah, having both of these things occur simultaneously would admittedly be rather unlikely. It's similar to Secundina Camarena's case: You'd have to combine the odds of giving birth naturally at age 52 with the odds of living to almost age 114. Both extremely unlikely events, but combined?

I do wonder if SCs tend to have longer fertility windows, on average. If one lives to an extremely old age, then couldn't one hit menopause a bit later as well? But it's just a hypothesis based on the general slower rate of aging of SCs.

 


   
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The key issue in comparing the circumstances of those two cases is that they are also 200 years apart.

What may have been 'very unusual' in the 1900s is a far more remote possibility in the 1700s.  


   
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