Why do you guys think that non-Latin American men have tended to perform relatively poorly for the male cohorts who were born in the 20th century (1901-present), unlike 20th century-born female cohorts so far?

Posted by: @futurist

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Why do you guys think that non-Latin American men have tended to perform relatively poorly for the male cohorts who were born in the 20th century (1901-present), unlike 20th century-born female cohorts so far?

Two world wars might have had something to do with it...

A lot of men old enough to father children in the 1910s died in WWI, but also a lot of men who were born during WWI or the early 1920s died during WWII.

Posted by: @heatwave116

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Posted by: @futurist

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Why do you guys think that non-Latin American men have tended to perform relatively poorly for the male cohorts who were born in the 20th century (1901-present), unlike 20th century-born female cohorts so far?

Two world wars might have had something to do with it...

A lot of men old enough to father children in the 1910s died in WWI, but also a lot of men who were born during WWI or the early 1920s died during WWII.

WWII affected Germans, Slavs, and East Asians most of all. Non-German Westerners weren't that badly affected by World War II, other than Jews, who of course were a small percentage of the total Western population.

And Yes, a lot of men who could have had additional children died in WWI, but the relative non-Latin American male extreme longevity underperformance has been going on for males born during the entire 20th century so far, ever since 1901. Meanwhile, WWI only began in 1914.

What are some examples of SCs who were from small countries and who were both born on the same day, including the same year? I can think of Hilda Grahn (1888-1998) and Teresa Lindahl (1888-1999), who both lived to age 110 and were both Sweden's OLP for a time.

I know about Bob Weighton (1908-2020) and Joan Hocquard (1908-2020), who both shared Britain's OLP title for a time, but Britain is a larger country than what I would prefer for the purposes of my question here.

I noticed that Scandinavian men tend to overperform Scandinavian women. No Scandinavian-born woman has lived beyond her 113th birthday, whereas 10 Scandinavian-born men (including five male Scandinavian emigrants) have died beyond their 110th birthday, with 5 of them living to age 111+ and with 7 of them living to age 110.9+.

Posted by: @futurist

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What are some examples of SCs who were from small countries and who were both born on the same day, including the same year? I can think of Hilda Grahn (1888-1998) and Teresa Lindahl (1888-1999), who both lived to age 110 and were both Sweden's OLP for a time.

I know about Bob Weighton (1908-2020) and Joan Hocquard (1908-2020), who both shared Britain's OLP title for a time, but Britain is a larger country than what I would prefer for the purposes of my question here.

Lina Anundsen and Margit Larsen (b. 12 November 1914) of Norway. 

Thanks!

BTW, off-topic, but did you notice just how strongly Romanian men tend to perform when it comes to extreme longevity (age 108+)?

Does anyone here know if Teofil B. Chudzinski (1849?-1955, age 106?) can be validated? He might have been the WOLM at the time of his death:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/74617501/teofil_b_chudzinski

Teofil Chudzinski was baptized in Neumark, Germany on 15 February, 1849. The baptism record records his DOB as 7 February, 1849, proving his claimed age of 106 years.

Also, Chudzinski was not WOLM, as Walter Theodore Shriner was born on 7 January, 1849 and lived two months longer than Chudzinski.

(Link to baptism)

Posted by: @fish

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Teofil Chudzinski was baptized in Neumark, Germany on 15 February, 1849. The baptism record records his DOB as 7 February, 1849, proving his claimed age of 106 years.

 

Also, Chudzinski was not WOLM, as Walter Theodore Shriner was born on 7 January, 1849 and lived two months longer than Chudzinski.

(Link to baptism)

Excellent! Amazing job, Fish!

BTW, wasn't it myself who researched Shriner's case many years ago?

I find it interesting that the WOLM was born in 1849 for several years, BTW.

@Fish Didn't Mathias Hansen Saether (1848-1957) outlive Mr. Shriner and was also born before him? So, Mr. Shriner was never the WOLM, only the US's OLM.

Has the dispute over Nabi Tajima's birth year (1900 vs. 1901) ever been conclusively resolved?

I wonder if the World Wars are a huge part of the reason as to why exactly Germany has not had another 111+ year-old man (emigrants such as Friedrich Reichenstein excluded) since Hermann Dornemann. (Of course, maybe Gustav Gerneth will qualify. But we still don't know just how old he was for sure and he's not validated yet.) The World Wars were absolutely disastrous for German men. Among the couple of million of German men who were killed in WWI, and the several million German men who were killed in WWII, I suspect that there were at least several German men with SC potential.

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BTW, apparently based on his WWII draft registration card, Richard Overton (1906-2018) might have been five days older than claimed:

He claimed May 11, 1906 later in life and initially that's what his WWII draft card appears to say as well, but for some reason, the 11 is later replaced with a 6, thus making it May 6, 1906.

Is there a birth record and/or baptismal record, especially an original one, that can help shed some light on this issue? Or perhaps some school census records? I know that Texas has surviving school census records for some counties.

If he was genuinely five days older, his final age would be 112y,235d instead of 112y,230d.

@Mendocino Do you know of any other SCs whose World War II (not World War I) draft registration cards lists a different birthday (not just birth year) relative to what they claimed? I know that Lester Townsend's (1908-2019) World War II draft registration card says March 1908 but without giving a specific date of birth (he himself claimed March 31, 1908 later on in his life).