@futurist is there a way I can talk to you privately about a case?

Posted by: @aq

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@futurist is there a way I can talk to you privately about a case?

Sure; use my e-mail [email protected].

@futurist thank you my friend, I will be sending you an email shortly

@futurist the email has been sent! 😎

Posted by: @aq

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@futurist the email has been sent! 😎

Thanks! Extremely interesting! I will remain quiet about this (hopefully I won't forget!) for as long as necessary but I nevertheless do hope that the information that you told me can eventually become public.

Posted by: @mrcatlord

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There is still a 111-year-old woman in California who had a supercentenarian sister

Who exactly?

@futurist Maxine Hix, there was a Longeviquest article where they confirmed she was still living a few months ago.

Posted by: @musicotic

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@futurist Maxine Hix, there was a Longeviquest article where they confirmed she was still living a few months ago.

Thanks for clarifying! Two sisters living to age 111+! Quite amazing!

BTW, this is a random comment, but I discovered a centenarian born in the 1910s named Maxine Hix who lived to age 104:

https://www.spiritlakefuneralhome.com/obituaries/Maxine-Hix/#!/PhotosVideos/00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000/

BTW, there was also a 105-year-old woman, also born in Pennsylvania, who was also named Sarah Knauss:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88669545/mabel-sarah-knauss

A combined age of 224+ years for two people sharing the same name!

Grace Jones

- of London, England       113-342

- of Virginia USA.            112-324

- of Worcester, England   112-264

Posted by: @chrisr

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Grace Jones

- of London, England       113-342

- of Virginia USA.            112-324

- of Worcester, England   112-264

Thanks!

@Mendocino What are your thoughts on this male SC claimant from Cuba back from 2011?

https://gerontology.fandom.com/wiki/Ignacio_Cubilla_Banos

Any chance of him being true and validatable?

@Fish previously did some research that indicates that Joe Willie Hollins was born Joe Willie Brock (his mom married a man with the last name of Hollins after his birth) and that he might have been 1-3 years older than he claimed to have been according to both his 1910 and 1920 US Census entries.

His 1910 US Census entry implies a birth year of 1903/1904, depending on whether age rounding was used, thus implying a final age of 114 or 115 for him:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MP81-VD1

His 1920 US Census entry implies a birth year of 1904 for him (it was taken in January 1920 and since he was born in August, age rounding is less likely for him here than for his 1910 US Census entry, which was taken in April):

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M43D-M8D

His 1920 US Census entry thus implies a final age of 114 for him.

His WWII draft registration card gives a 1906 birth year for him and implies a final age of 112 for him:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP2C-DHRQ

He apparently claimed 1906 and a final age of 112 later on in his life. Should we thus go with that, or should we go with a higher final age for him based on his 1910 and 1920 US Census entries?

Please note, though, that his 1910 and 1920 US Census entries are NOT equivalent to birth or baptismal records for him. They too have a margin of error. Unfortunately, I don't know if birth and/or baptismal records for him actually exist. A birth record probably doesn't since birth registration was not universal in Mississippi back then, but I'm unsure about a baptismal record. If it does exist, though, it's certainly not online.

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@Mendocino What are your thoughts on this male SC claimant from Cuba back from 2011?

https://gerontology.fandom.com/wiki/Ignacio_Cubilla_Banos

Any chance of him being true and validatable?

I don't think he seems particularly plausible, but he does look old enough to be a SC. 

Posted by: @mendocino

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I don't think he seems particularly plausible, but he does look old enough to be a SC. 

Would be interesting if Cuban records for his area ever became publicly available. My guess is that he was indeed 100+, but probably not 110+. However, the latter possibly can't be completely ruled out.

"latter possibility"

(Corrected typo.)

@Mendocino BTW, based on the research above (done by @Fish), would you argue that if LQ will ever verify Joe Willie Hollins, it should verify him as age 114 and not as age 112 like he claimed to have been?

Posted by: @futurist

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@Fish previously did some research that indicates that Joe Willie Hollins was born Joe Willie Brock (his mom married a man with the last name of Hollins after his birth) and that he might have been 1-3 years older than he claimed to have been according to both his 1910 and 1920 US Census entries.

Here's his mom's 1912 marriage record to Will Hollins:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:88XK-L4MM

@Admin Here is a near-SC death from 2022:

https://www.kelownadailycourier.ca/news/article_dbd05f24-baa9-11ec-b235-1fd799c25cb6.html

I'm reporting it late here because it hasn't been reported at all here.

BTW, I'm sorry for making so many consecutive posts in my own thread, but I can't edit my posts after I make them and thus I have to make new ones whenever I have something else to say.

@AQ I think that Anisio's record (if ever actually validated) will be broken sometime before 2050. Not sure when exactly, though.

I think that, based on Christian Mortensen's age relation to other Danish-born men, the maximum possible age for extreme male longevity would probably be around 121-122 and for women around 125, but then we'd need to get an extremely gigantic outlier for either men or women on par for what Christian Mortensen is for Danish-born men (the all-time runner-up is almost 5.5 years younger than he himself is).

Why haven't Philip Sharp and Ben Haymon been validated yet? In Sharp's case, is it because of the lack of a 1910 US Census entry for him? And what's the deal with Haymon? His 1910 US Census entry confirms that he was a year older than he claimed to have been, no?

@Coyote77 I never received an answer to this question of mine from you: In regards to Secundina Camarena (1891?-2005, nee Nieves), if you're so confident that she's an identity switch/theft case, then who exactly stole her identity? @Fish and I previously did a sibling check for her and the only plausible candidate for this is her younger sister Carolina, who was only 1.5 years younger than Secundina herself was. What would be the incentive for this? All of Secundina's other sisters have documentation trails that extend past Secundina's 1921 marriage, so they couldn't have stolen Secundina's identity--right?

Did someone else from her family steal Secundina's identity? If so, who exactly?

The fact that she had her last child at age 52 is borderline suspicious but not disqualifying because sometimes menopause can occur slightly after age 50:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_over_age_50

I was just able to do some research on James Nash that confirmed that he was indeed 110 years old at the time of his death in 1983 and that there was no identity switch. I am still surprised, however, by the lack of definitive mid-life documentation in his case. We have his 1900 US Census entry, but afterwards, it's unclear what we have because we apparently don't know his wife's name or even if he ever married at all, so we can't identify his subsequent mid-life documentation with significant certainty.

Does anyone here know how I can contact the LQ people? I don't just mean to file a claim, which I know how to do, but rather to contact them if I feel like I have been denied partial credit for a particular validation?

This 1700s-born couple that I found have been validated as having the record for the longest marriage ever, almost 89 years:

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2023/5/amazing-story-of-the-marriage-that-lasted-almost-90-years-747106

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/longest-marriage/

The question remains, though: Did Guinness ever actually find their original marriage record?

@Mendocino Do you know of any other extensive oral interviews with SCs and semi-SCs (people aged 107+)?

Here is one for Dr. Tolbert Fanning Hill (1874-1982) from 1979, on his 105th birthday:

https://web.archive.org/web/20100812033250/https://www.uis.edu/archives/memoirs/HILLT.pdf

And here is one for Andrew Small (1891-2003) from 1999:

https://www.wisvetsmuseum.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Small-Andrew_OH103.pdf

Posted by: @futurist

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@Mendocino Do you know of any other extensive oral interviews with SCs and semi-SCs (people aged 107+)?

Here is one for Dr. Tolbert Fanning Hill (1874-1982) from 1979, on his 105th birthday:

https://web.archive.org/web/20100812033250/https://www.uis.edu/archives/memoirs/HILLT.pdf

And here is one for Andrew Small (1891-2003) from 1999:

https://www.wisvetsmuseum.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Small-Andrew_OH103.pdf

@Fish Do you know of anything comparable for any other SCs?

I noticed an error in LQ's article about Stanislaw Kowalski:

https://longeviquest.com/supercentenarian/stanislaw-kowalski/

"On 23 February 2019, at the age of 109 years, 315 days, he surpassed the final age of Włodzimierz Rogosz (1880–1990), becoming the oldest man to have ever lived in Poland."

That's actually 23 February 2020. He turned 110 two months later.

Posted by: @futurist

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@Mendocino Do you know of any other extensive oral interviews with SCs and semi-SCs (people aged 107+)?

Here is one for Dr. Tolbert Fanning Hill (1874-1982) from 1979, on his 105th birthday:

https://web.archive.org/web/20100812033250/https://www.uis.edu/archives/memoirs/HILLT.pdf

And here is one for Andrew Small (1891-2003) from 1999:

https://www.wisvetsmuseum.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Small-Andrew_OH103.pdf

Here's one from 1958 with Narcissa Rickman (1855-1968):

https://soundcloud.com/jimmy-lindberg-787842254/interview-with-mrs-rickman-103-hendersonville-1958

Familysearch.org user Oliver5630 shared this case with me. I think that it's OK for me to share some of his research here, since it's based on publicly available records.

Anyway, he found this woman's case:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/87064377/margaret-jones

An almost validatable black female SC who lived between 1850 and 1960, dying at age 110.

1867 marriage record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK8Y-4B26?lang=en

1880 US Census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MFNC-HP6?lang=en

1886 marriage record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK8Y-HL16?lang=en

1900 US Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M3G8-86L?lang=en

1920 US Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MC98-XR1?lang=en

1930 US Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HY41-GN2?lang=en

Ollie said that he also found an 1870 US Census entry for her but I couldn't independently find it, so I asked him where it is.

Anyway, her 1880 US Census entry gives an age of 29, implying an 1851 birth year for her. Her 1867 marriage record does not give an age for her. Her 1886 marriage record (she was married twice) does not give an age for her either. Her 1900 US Census entry says January 1850. Her 1920 US Census entry says age 70, implying a birth year of 1849 or 1850 for her (the official date of the 1920 US Census was January 1, 1920, and that was supposed to be the date that one was supposed to give one's age for on this census). Her 1930 US Census entry says age 75, implying a birth year of 1855 for her.

Ollie said that the 1870 US Census entry that he found for her gives age 20 for her, implying an 1850 birth year for her. But unfortunately it's still barely outside of the 20-year-window. We thus need something even earlier than that, such as some kind of school census record from before 1870. But do those actually exist in Texas? She was a slave until around 1865, I think, so she might not have anything from before 1865.

@futurist 

This seems the 1870 census entry for the Henderson family:

(Enumerated 8 July, 1870, Pct. 1, Fayette, Texas, Post Office: La Grange)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXGT-BCV?lang=en

• W. Anderson, age 25
• Maggy Anderson, age 20
• Lee Anderson, age 3
• Pamillis (Cornelia?) Anderson, age 1
• Anne Anderson, age 20 (probably a sister of Willis Anderson)
• Mathilda Anderson, age 5

Here are three other documents:

Margaret Jones in 1940, living in Gonzales, Texas, age 93: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KWV2-5P7

Margaret Jones in 1950, living in Gonzales, Texas, age 90: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6XPM-1SFS

1960 death record of Margaret Johnson Jones, age 93: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K34J-XXF

The 1870 census record and the 1867 marriage record, it does appear that Margaret Jones was actually born in or around 1850.

Additionally, there may be an enumeration for relating to Margaret Jones in the Slave Schedule censuses of 1850 and 1860,