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Marco
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There's been a number of additions to the GRG pending list. There's one pending case not yet covered by either LQ or the ESO:

Ebe Tosi, ITA, 11 July 1913 - Present.

 

Other pending cases:

(Apologies if I mention any double entries already identified in previous post; it's hard to keep track of new cases with all these randomly assigned pending dates.)

 

Henriqueta Soares Marques, BRA, 6 May 1911 - Present.

Antonia Manzi, ITA, 20 Feb 1912 - Present.

Tripolino Giannini, ITA, 20 Aug 1912 - Present.

Wenonah Bish, USA, 2 Oct 1912 - Present.

Ida Ortolani, USA/ITA, 4 Oct 1912 - Present.

Catherine Ferrell, USA, 10 Oct 1912 - Present.

Adela Harrison, UK, 2 Jan 1913 - Present.

Rhoda Binge, UK, 8 Jan 1913 - Present.

Marion Dawson, UK, 19 Jan 1913 - Present.

Fiorinda Rogante de Godoy, BRA, 7 May 1913 - Present.

Frances Volz, USA, 13 July 1913 - Present.

Aileen Kars, NZL, 12 Sept 1913 - Present.

Francisca Moreno Díaz, MEX, 3 Dec 1913 - Present.

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Pending cases added between 23 and 31 December 2023. Those with an asterisk (*) in front of the name have not yet been LQ- or ESO-validated.

 

Louise Burkhalter, USA, 13 Nov 1912 - Present.

Sally Ashman, USA, 23 Nov 1912 - Present.

Mary Ransopher, USA, 25 Dec 1912 - Present.

Clarice Patterson, USA, 29 Dec 1912 - Present.

Hazel Schultz, USA, 12 Jan 1913 - Present.

Mary Petrosky, USA, 14 Jan 1913 - Present.

* Toña Torregroza de Effio, PAN, 11 Feb 1913 - Present. (But LQ/LAS-pending.)

Hélène Gruat, FRA, 8 Mar 1913 - Present.

Solange Demorgny, FRA, 10 Mar 1913 - Present.

* Pauline Cook, USA, 30 Mar 1913 - Present.

Lois Boston, USA, 10 May 1913 - Present.

* Lucille Marusek, USA, 16 May 1913 - Present.

Denise Leroy, FRA, 3 July 1913 - Present. (But according to the pending list of the GRG pending as "11 July 1913," even though that's not what the birth certificate says.)

Reine Salmon, FRA, 16 July 1913 - Present.

* Camille Faget, FRA, 18 July 1913 - Present.

Santos Fierro, MEX/USA, 22 July 1913 - Present.

* Maria Gauvin, FRA, 22 Aug 1913 - Present. (But ESO-pending.)

Aimée Dressayre, FRA, 30 Aug 1913 - Present.

Yvonne Benoit, FRA, 8 Sept 1913 - Present.

Marie Deffay, FRA, 18 Sept 1913 - Present.

Sam Goustille, FRA, 12 Oct 1913 - Present.

Cécile Marchais, FRA, 17 Oct 1913 - Present.

Horace Baumer, USA, 17 Dec 1913 - Present.

Overduidelijk misschien.


   
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Other pending cases:

http://www.supercentenariditalia.it/persone-viventi-piu-longeve-in-italia.
Persone viventi più longeve in Italia – Supercentenari d'Italia (supercentenariditalia.it)


   
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One overlooked pending case (since 18 Dec 2023) :

Lalita Bravo Bravo, MEX, 12 Feb 1913 - Present.

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Currently pending, as of 11 January 2024:

Morrie Markoff, USA, 11 Jan 1914 - Present.

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Currently pending, as of 18 and 20 January 2024:

Annie Samphire, UK, 8 July 1913 - Present.

Angela Hutor, FRA/UK, 12 Aug 1913 - Present.

Rosina Caulkett, UK, 13 Nov 1913 - Present.

Blanche Masson, FRA, 9 Jan 1914 - Present.

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Currently pending, as of 30 January 2024:

Dorothy Reed, USA, 9 June 1913 - Present.

Edith Fletcher, USA, 8 Sept 1913 - Present. (Already validated by LQ.)

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Currently pending, as of 3 and 6 February 2024:

Ottilie-Armilde Tinnuri, EST, 3 Feb 1914 - Present.

Kathleen Donathy, UK, 5 Feb 1914 - Present.

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Currently pending, as of 9 January 2024:

Jeanne Laham, FRA, 1 Feb 1914 - Present. (Already ESO-pending.)

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Currently pending, both as of 12 February 2024:

Doris Noreen, USA, 15 Sept 1913 - Present. (Already validated by LQ.)

Ollie Lawson, USA, 21 Nov 1913 - Present. (Already validated by LQ.)

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Currently pending, as of 13 and 14 February 2024:

María Teresa Bustos, ARG, 26 Apr 1912 - Present.

Anna Natella, ITA/USA, 21 Nov 1912 - Present. (Already ESO-validated and LQ-recognised.)

Mary Franklin, USA, 3 Feb 1913 - Present. (Already LQ-validated.)

Rosa Micaela Puertas, ARG, 29 Sept 1913??? - Present. [Wrong year of birth.] (Already LAS/LQ-pending with the correct year of birth, 1912.)

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Currently pending, as of 14 February 2024 (but as of 15 Feb according to their forum announcement) :

Angélica Tiscornia, ARG, 22 Aug 1912 - Present. (Already validated by LQ.)

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Currently pending, as of 29 & 30 December 2023, and as of 17 February 2024. All of these SCs, except for Lucille Winkelman, have already been validated by LQ:

Lucille Winkelman, USA, 3 Apr 1913 - Present.

Launa Mitchell, USA, 23 May 1913 - Present.

Milly Skjordahl, USA, 16 June 1913 - Present.

Ana Luisa Garcia, PRI, 22 Aug 1913 - Present.

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Currently pending, as of 22 January 2024, and as of 16 and 17 February 2024:

Belia Engracia Cabezas Araya, CRI, 30 Aug 1913 - Present. (Already LQ-pending.)

Bernice Sebastian, KNA/USA, 21 Sept 1913 - Present. (Already LQ-validated.)

Julio Saldarriaga Hernández, COL, 3 Nov 1913 - Present. (Already LAS/LQ-pending.)

Dollie Pedroza, USA, 29 Nov 1913 - Present.

Esther Groneman, USA, 18 Dec 1913 - Present.

Catherine Gode, FRA, 18 Jan 1914 - Present. (pending as of 22 Jan, even though she was only confirmed alive as of 13 Feb... quite interesting!)

Gisèle Riboust, FRA, 11 Feb 1914 - Present.

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Currently pending, all as of 18 February 2024:

Zoraida del Carmen Montezuma, CRI, 31 Oct 1913 - Present. (Already LAS/LQ-pending.)

Mamie Tei, USA/ITA, 14 Nov 1913 - Present. (Already ESO-pending.)

Anita Mackey, USA, 1 Jan 1914 - Present. (Already LQ-validated.)

Jovita Medina Posadas, MEX, 1 Jan 1914 - Present. (Already LQ-validated; the GRG has opted for a 31 Dec 1913 DOB.)

Mary Lois Burkett, USA, 2 Jan 1914 - Present. (Already LQ-validated.)

Margaret Cameron, CAN, 9 Feb 1914 - Present.

Overduidelijk misschien.


   
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Posted by: @marco

Jovita Medina Posadas, MEX, 1 Jan 1914 - Present. (Already LQ-validated; the GRG has opted for a 31 Dec 1913 DOB.)

At this point, it seems that they're just trying to be deliberate contrarians by going with different DOBs than what the earliest documentation supports, perhaps in an attempt at appearing that they actually did their own research independently, as opposed to just going off of what LQ has already published.

I'm also interested in hearing how they managed to verify a case that has no public reporting aside from what appears on the LQ site.

 

Profile picture: Marita Camacho Quirós (1911-Present)


   
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Posted by: @marco

Currently pending, all as of 18 February 2024:

Jovita Medina Posadas, MEX, 1 Jan 1914 - Present. (Already LQ-validated; the GRG has opted for a 31 Dec 1913 DOB.)

One could easily assume that they are simply attempting to mimic what LQ does, particularly when it comes to Latin American cases (trying to validate the same supercentenarians without ever discovering one independently), but I do wonder: How did they make this lady a pending case? Family contact, perhaps? To my knowledge, there are no recent Facebook posts or news reports confirming that this woman has reached the age of 110, aside from one news article that merely mentions her because she is listed on Wikipedia and Gerontology Wiki. LAS validated her via family contact, and I'm not sure if there's a single public source available.

When it comes to the records they supposedly located, have they been able to establish a connection between those and the lady who claims to be a supercentenarian? Have they verified her birthplace, parents' names, husband's name, etc., with her family? Same goes for the Argentine ladies from the other day.

It would also be amusing if they had no source whatsoever for this lady because I was under the impression that a certain someone is ready to claim even that LQ is capable of fabricating a supercentenarian case.

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Posted by: @mendocino

At this point, it seems that they're just trying to be deliberate contrarians by going with different DOBs than what the earliest documentation supports, perhaps in an attempt at appearing that they actually did their own research independently, as opposed to just going off of what LQ has already published.

That's a viable explanation.

Another scenario that's crossed my mind is that they're deliberately throwing dust in fans', scientists', and journalists' eyes, trying to cast doubt over the skills,  methodology, and reputation of LQ's employees, by suggesting alternative dates of birth (which can obviously be disproven).

But then... would they really be willing to put their own reputation on the line by employing this strategy?

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There may well be serious questions as to where their reputations are these days …… with appearing to “remain relevant” ….. quite possibly overshadowing “science” as they refer to it

There is also potentially the humiliation of individuals given the recent court outcomes which in essence were a function of LQ.

So perhaps there are many reasons for this group to continually look to muddy the waters and assume the data of others, as their own.

 


   
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Posted by: @chrisr

There may well be serious questions as to where their reputations are these days …… with appearing to “remain relevant” ….. quite possibly overshadowing “science” as they refer to it

There is also potentially the humiliation of individuals given the recent court outcomes which in essence were a function of LQ.

So perhaps there are many reasons for this group to continually look to muddy the waters and assume the data of others, as their own.

 

Would you mind telling me what happened in court?

 


   
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Posted by: @marco

Currently pending, as of 14 February 2024 (but as of 15 Feb according to their forum announcement) :

Angélica Tiscornia, ARG, 22 Aug 1912 - Present. (Already validated by LQ.)

Her case was first discovered by LAS researchers back in 2021, but we never made her pending/validated because we didn't have confirmation that the records actually belonged to her (as none of the articles mentioned her parents' names or maternal surname). It wasn't until this year when we managed to get into contact with family members to confirm the match, meaning that we had waited for over two years before completing her case. 

Coincidentally, it only took the GRG 2 weeks after LQ's validation for them to announce her as pending. Again, the only reason why we were able to verify her case was because of family contact to confirm the match, meaning that the GRG is once again just taking our word for it and making her pending without any way of knowing that the records they found actually are a match. This is interesting behavior from an organization whose leader has continuously referred to LQ as being an unreliable and untrustworthy "fandom site". 

So, is LQ so unreliable that it's necessary for its name to be completely censored from the entire Gerontology Wiki, or is it reliable enough to base entire GRG validations off of?

Also, Angélica Tiscornia claims to be born on on 22 August 1911, which is something that the GRG would have known if they actually researched the case themselves, instead of just taking the info directly from her LQ profile. And yes, they would have clarified this if they knew about it, since they mentioned this for Rosa Micaela Puertas, whom they erroneously state is a year younger than claimed (despite the fact that her baptismal record was literally created before the GRG claims she was born, but that's just yet another massive mistake they've made recently):

 

Profile picture: Marita Camacho Quirós (1911-Present)


   
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I really can’t go any further than to say that someone failed to honour major commitments made and was also not in a position to defend their actions, when formally held accountable.

So the process was fairly straight forward in terms of outcomes.


   
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