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09/06/2023 9:04 am
So recently, I have been doing some deep digging on a Mr. Goddard Ezekiel Dodge Diamond. He had a similar problem compared to Shigechiyo Izumi, as although he died in 1914, it was not certain whether he was born in 1796 or 1805. I was pretty certain that he was born in 1805, was thus only 109 when he died. And just as I was about to start researching a new case, I made a major breakthrough... The 1805 Diamond could not be our potential SC Diamond, as the 1805 Diamond was married and had 3 kids, one of whom had his namesake. Our potential SC Diamond was never referred to as "Sr.", and never married or had children. I also discovered that in the January 1910 census his age is listed as 113, supporting his claimed age of 118. I also discovered that there is a 65 year old Goddard Diamond in the January 1862 census, again supporting an age of 118 when he died, and creating a source for a mid-life document. There is no way he could have predicted in 1862 that he'd live another 52 and a half years and become the oldest man in the world, thus he had no intent to lie about his age here. All other sources and records I found when searching the 1805 Diamond totally mis-match. There is no possibility that the two people could be the same man. Unfortunately I have not been able to locate an early-life document for our 1796 Diamond, but it is my opinion that this man was indeed 118 years old when he died, and thus the new doyen of humanity.
I even located 2 people that have original documents from Mr. Diamond, and I could contact them if needed.
I even applied some statistics to this case. He would have held the record until being surpassed by Jeanne Calment in the summer of 1993, and held the longevity record for around 79 years. The record for longevity in dogs, was held for 83 years before being surpassed, so it is possible that a longevity record would stand that long. Yes, I understand the unlikelyhood of a man reaching 118 in the early 1900s, but I find that it is indeed possible.
I conclude that with certainty, Mr. Goddard Ezekiel Dodge Diamond lived 118 years. I am not a professional researcher and my research may be wrong, and there may be documentation out there that I am not aware of which debunks his case, but as of right now I truly think he was 118. His case is a thousand times stronger than any other case of a man over 116 that I've researched. I've truly seen nothing like this before.
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diego reacted
09/06/2023 10:46 am
No early life evidence and you consider it to be the strongest case for a 116+ man ever...
Ell reacted
09/06/2023 11:03 am
I conclude that with certainty, Mr. Goddard Ezekiel Dodge Diamond lived 118 years. I am not a professional researcher and my research may be wrong, and there may be documentation out there that I am not aware of which debunks his case [...]
These two sentences sound a bit contradictory, don't they?
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930310 reacted
09/06/2023 11:09 am
A bit of critical thinking wouldn't go amiss here. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Sure, the "65 year old" man in the 1862 census might well be the same person as the "118 year old" man who died in 1914, but age inflation can happen very early on - for various reasons (such as claiming a pension or other benefits, or even just not really being sure and taking a guess). You can't account for any of his life before the age of "65", and you're willing to accept this as case as being the oldest man ever?
09/06/2023 11:16 am
Let's investigate... He says in his book "The secret of long life : or, how to live in three centuries" that his parents were Joseph Diamond and Mahala Allen and that he was born in Plymouth, MA, USA in 1796.
Luckily he had siblings.
Sylvanus Damon (1817? - 1905)
Father's Name Joseph Damon
Mother's Name Mahala Allen
Death Date 14 Dec 1905
Age 88
Event Place Buckfield, , Maine, United States
Chandler Damon (1818? - 1900)
Father's Name Joseph Damon
Mother's Name Mahala Allen
Death Date 17 Mar 1900
Age 82
Event Place Sumner, , Maine, United States
Sarah Frances McKenney (1823? - 1924)
Name Sarah F. Damon
Spouse's Age 22
Spouse's Father's Name Joseph Damon
Spouse's Mother's Name Mahala Damon
Marriage Date 14 Oct 1847
Birthplace Sumner, Maine
Father's Name Joseph Damon
Mother's Name Mahala Allen
Death Date 7 May 1924
Age 101
Event Place Abington, Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States
Judith Given (1825? - 1910)
Father's Name Joseph Damon
Mother's Name Mahala Allan
Death Date 28 Dec 1910
Age 85
Event Place Atkinson, New Hampshire
Samuel A Damon (1831? - 1920)
Father's Name Joseph Damon
Mother's Name Mahaba Allen
Death Date 16 Jan 1920
Age 89
Event Place Abington, Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States
Josua A Damon (1840? - 1920)
Death Record
Father's Name Joseph Damon
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Mahala Allan
Death Date 27 Dec 1920
Age 80
Event Place Abington, Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States
So he claimed to have been born 20 years earlier than his siblings. Make what you wish from that.
Oh, and here is the 1850 US Census
Joseph Damon Male 56 Maine
Mahala Damon Female 54 Maine
Jason Damon Male 19 Maine
Abigail Damon Female 17 Maine
Joseph B Damon Male 15 Maine
Joshua Damon Male 12 Maine
So his parents were born in the 1790s.
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09/06/2023 11:27 am
@024tomi I was just saying that I personally conclude, unless further evidence came to light which I now see under your comment.
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09/06/2023 11:29 am
@ell He had no reason to lie in the January 1862 census, but he could have inflated his age earlier on. The picture of 65 year old Diamond in 1861 does not look like a man in his 40s or 50s but rather a man much older.
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09/06/2023 11:30 am
Here's the entire family. He was born in 1819.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS65-WWWN-4?cat=349876
Strongest case ever....
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09/06/2023 11:39 am
@930310 you have a good point here, but the surname does not match. I mean yeah the parent's names match and everything but there's no evidence I found that Goddard ever switched his Surname from Damon to Diamond. However, I have not read his book, as it requires a subscription. Does he mention in his book going by the Surname Damon and then switching it? From the research that I found, the only unmarried Goddard Diamond comes from 1796. Besides if the Joseph and Mahala Damon were born in the 1790s, then that proves there's no way he could be related to them. Who do you think is the strongest case for a man older than Kimura? (Besides Alves). I think Diamond's is extremely strong because of the records of a 1796 born Diamond.
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09/06/2023 11:46 am
Are you trolling or just ignorant? "Damon" and "Diamond" sound pretty much the same when you say them out loud. This man wasn't even a centenarian when he died. Case closed.
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09/06/2023 11:52 am
@930310 There's no need to be an stuck up arrogant jerk. I honestly thought I had made a major breakthrough with this case. I'm always willing to admit I'm wrong. I never said that he was a validated SC. All I said was that he was strongest case I had found so far. And it was in my opinion that he was indeed 118. Honestly you make a good case. I do see it now, that the odds of a Goddard Ezekiel Dodge Diamond and a Goddard Ezekiel Dodge Dammon/Damon are strikingly low. I retract my early statement where I said I was certain he was 118. I honestly believed it when I made it, as I had no idea the contents of his book or that the record you sent in the picture even existed.
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09/06/2023 12:00 pm
I would like to say that I was wrong in Diamond's case. I did not read his book, and I did not look up the names of his siblings or parents. I truly believed his case was much stronger, but it turns out that it wasn't. I still find it odd that with his birthdate of 1819, that would mean he was only 41/42 in the picture above. To me, that does not look like a man in his early 40s. Perhaps the picture is of his father? Or the website and source I got my information mislabeled him as someone else? I really don't know what to think, but I doubt that is a 41 or 42 year old man. Anyways, I apologize if I wasted people's time.
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09/06/2023 1:39 pm
@930310 There's no need to be an stuck up arrogant jerk.
There's no need for such strong language, thank you very much.
As for your eagerness to validate cases: good to see! However, perhaps it's a good idea to see what standards / procedures / protocols validation organisations have/follow (e.g. GRG, MPIDR, IDL, LQ, ESO, etc) and try and copy such a strategy too --> such as crossreferencing familial information and the likes. Good luck with your future endeavours in this! 😊
