The Questionable Conduct of Today’s GRG – Page 2 – GRG

seto2001 · 2024-05-09T18:01:54Z

Dear forum members and researchers, I must admit that I am somewhat bothered by the necessity of making a post like this, as it takes the valuable time away from the actual SC-related topics such as research, news preparation, and biographical articles. However, the recent actions of the Gerontology Research Group (GRG) have been intolerable to such an extent that it has become both ridiculous and offensive to supercentenarians, their families, and researchers alike. I dare say, it borders on being immoral. The GRG is unrecognizable from the organization it was 10 years ago. Leaders of the mentioned organization have previously threatened legal action against both myself and others for merely describing their actions. Therefore, I will provide a lot of evidence below because legally, the truth cannot be considered defamatory. Most of this, however, is just describing their recent actions, as you will see below. Let's start with something that's very obvious. It is evident that their validation speed increased due to the appearance of a new rival (LQ). Just before LQ became public in January 2023, and shortly before our first validations were announced, a member of this forum compiled a list of all GRG public validations for the period between June 2021 and January 2023, totaling 29(!!) validations in total, with only 9 living SCs being validated at the time. Their new website was launched in January 2023, just shortly after LQ (not even a full month later). However, while LQ had been in development for over six months by that time, it appears that their new website domain was registered in November 2022 (you can check here, LQ domain for example was created in Feb 2022). They were definitely aware of LQ being in development, as their director was already our member at that time. However, a particular second-in-command was not invited to join LQ due to his past behaviors (It was under consideration, but it never happened), and we witnessed the consequences of that decision in Jan/Feb 2023. While he may claim that the plan for their new website was started years ago and that it just happened to become reality after LQ was already in development, I find it difficult to believe that an organization that validated 29 SCs in a year and a half would undergo such a radical change after nearly a decade of slow validations, and asking for milions in donations just to speed up the validations. Furthermore, they even built their new website to attempt to mimic LQ. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- But I'm sure most of you are already familiar with this, so let's review the new actions that made me make this post. There's a reasonable suspicion that they are now monitoring which SCs we validate at LQ and simply adding them to their website with a retroactive date (to make it appear as if they were the first to validate them), without having complete documentation or reviewing their own records. If you were monitoring the validations of both organizations, you might have noticed it yourself, so please leave a comment if you did. Let's check this. Some of the recently validated and announced LQ cases were: (by announcement date): - Mrs. Gurley and Mrs. Ivy on 1 May. // They happen to have been validated a few days ago by GRG as well, with a retroactive dates of 15 and 25 Jan 2022. A coincidence that they are so close to each other on their list as well? Let's check further. - Mrs. Kennedy and Mrs. Cagle, announced by LQ c.25 April. Shortly after, they were added to GRG with retroactive dates of 7 and 16 June 2021. - Then some of the cases that follow on their list are Mr. Iwakawa and Mrs. Keller, validated on 22 and 25 June 2021 respectively. Once again, LQ validated them in April 2024. - Shortly after that we have Mrs. Johnson and Mrs. Gwynn, validated retroactively by them on 7 and 19 July 2021 respectively. At LQ, validated on 11 and 13 April respectively. [8 May Update]: Mr. Smith was announced as validated by LQ on 7 May. On 8 May, he was added to GRG 2022 list of validations. Additionally, on 7-8 May, Mrs. Rodenstein, validated by LQ in April, was added to GRG as validated in July 2022. Ms. Gaukler, another LQ case from April, was added to GRG as validated in June 2022. [9 May Update]: The best situation so far: I caught them red-handed. Yesterday, on May 8th, LQ had three announced cases: Mrs. Kimball, Mrs. Bagne, and Mrs. King. I predicted the same would happen as with the previous cases. So when I woke up this morning, I took a screenshot of their 2022 validations on the Wayback Machine, where these three ladies were clearly not listed. Just an hour later(!), I took another screenshot, and all three were there, practically one after another on the list. As they were adding retroactive validations for 2021 this April, continuing with 2022 ones in May after 2021 was completed, they just happened to validate/announce the exact same SCs that LQ validated in...

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24/07/2024 8:14 am

There is really only one person pulling the strings in the GRG these days, AQ.

And he’s not going to suspend or ban himself.

Any others are just minnows, doing what this individual wants done - or no longer directly involved.

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24/07/2024 7:35 pm

Posted by: @chrisr
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There is really only one person pulling the strings in the GRG these days, AQ.
And he’s not going to suspend or ban himself.
Any others are just minnows, doing what this individual wants done - or no longer directly involved.

Would that single person be Waclaw or Robert?

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24/07/2024 8:28 pm

@futurist The second one is not active anymore.

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24/07/2024 8:47 pm

@Ale76 What caused Robert to become inactive?

And what's the deal with Waclaw's attitude in regards to all of this?

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24/07/2024 10:14 pm

Robert is taking some time out from numerous issues these days.

That’s all that can really be said.

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Topic starter 10/08/2024 2:26 pm

Yesterday, LongeviQuest announced the debunking of Johnson Parks, who was previously believed to be the world's oldest living man. It turned out he was most likely 103 at the time of his passing, so we are withdrawing our recognition of his age validation by the Gerontology Research Group.

Interestingly, this same group—known for repeatedly claiming that LongeviQuest is unreliable and motivated solely by financial gain—withdrew their validation of his case just one day later. What a coincidence... How many coincidences does this make?

Our news article + archived screenshot from yesterday
GRG's list of validations for 2002 at the same time yesterday (where Parks is still listed)
GRG's list of world's oldest men at the same time (Parks is there)

And, of course, we'll also see claims on the Gerontology wiki from user Milanq, who will assert that it was actually the GRG that debunked him.

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10/08/2024 4:20 pm

They are pathetic. Clowns.

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27/05/2026 7:40 pm

https://www.grg-supercentenarians.org/2026/05/27/ilie-ciocan-of-romania-1913-2026-potential-worlds-oldest-man-dies-at-112/

Waclaw Jan Kroczek, a PhD holder, blatantly denies the truth, and the very existence of Joao Marinho Neto, a fully validated 113-year-old man.

Despicable behaviour.

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27/05/2026 8:20 pm

@heatwave116 It also openly contradicts this news report from 2024.

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27/05/2026 9:10 pm

Posted by: @heatwave116
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https://www.grg-supercentenarians.org/2026/05/27/ilie-ciocan-of-romania-1913-2026-potential-worlds-oldest-man-dies-at-112/
Waclaw Jan Kroczek, a PhD holder, blatantly denies the truth, and the very existence of Joao Marinho Neto, a fully validated 113-year-old man.
Despicable behaviour.

He did the same with Josino Levino Ferreira.

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27/05/2026 9:40 pm

@heatwave116 The sheer level of disrespect is staggering...

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