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Here is my full research on her, starting from present day to the past:

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Current public records indicate that a Victoria Rozelle, born in "Jun 1913" (sometimes these are off), resides in Hudson, MI and is associated with her son and his daughter. Searching past census records, we find a "Victoria A Rogelle", age 36, born in New York, living in Hudson, Michigan in the 1950 census. Similarly, the 1940 census yields a "Victoria A Rozelle", age 26, born in New York, living in Hudson, Michigan. Searching for marriages between a "Lewis Rozelle" and a "Victoria", we find a "Victoria Ann Morgan", daughter of Joe Morgan and Stella Morres, marrying Lewis Curtis Rozelle on 2 Jan 1935 in Hudson, Michigan. Searching obituaries for a "Victoria Rozelle", we find several obituaries of siblings that mention a Victoria Rozelle of Hudson, Michigan. These confirm her name at birth was some variant of "Moczarski". Searching for previous records in New York under that name, we locate the 1920 census return, with a "Victoria Mokeski", age 7, born in New York, in Syracuse, New York with her parents Joseph and Stella Mokeski. Using the information in the 2016 article, we can locate her immigration document and place of origin in Poland. Finally, searching for a record in Poland, we find a match in Wizna, Poland, confirming a 1913 birth.

2020 inclusion in list of supposed "dead" voters in Michigan

2016 sister Phyllis Cartwright's obituary:

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Phyllis E. Cartwright, of St. Johns, died Sunday, June 12, 2016 at the age of 93. She was born May 26, 1923 in Jackson, MI the daughter of Joseph and Stella (Chmielwska) Moczarski. Phyllis enjoyed fishing, bowling, playing bingo and loved spending time with her family. In her younger years she liked going to dances.  On May 23, 1942 she married William Cartwright and he preceded her in death in August 2006. She was also predeceased by four sisters and five brothers. Surviving is one son, Joseph (Karen) Cartwright of Jackson, MI; two daughters, Wanda Hill and fiancée Bill Wilson of Jackson, TN and Charlotte (John) Jolly of Falmouth, MI; nine grandchildren; 22 great grandchildren; three great great grandchildren and one sister, Victoria Rozelle of Hudson, MI

2016 mention of her: 

Victoria Rozelle

Birthday: 5-17-1913 (103 years old)

"She was born in Poland and, along with her parents, immigrated through Ellis Island in 1914. She still lives on her own, has a Chihuahua named DJ, and lives to go to the casinos."

2014 brother Felix's obituary

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MOCZARSKI, FELIX Of Grass Lake, passed away at home under the care of his family on Thursday, November 20, 2014 at the age of 85. He is survived by his sisters, Victoria Rozelle of Hudson, MI and Phyllis Cartwright of St. Johns, MI as well as numerous nieces, nephews and loving family members. Felix was one of thirteen children born to Joseph and Stella (Chmelewski) in Jackson on May 8, 1929. He retired from GM after thirty years of service. Felix enjoyed the outdoors, working on his farm and spending time with family. Services honoring him will be held at the funeral home on Monday, November 24, 2014 at 1:00PM with Father Kurian Kollapallil officiating. The family will receive friends for visitation on Sunday from 4 until 6PM, followed by a Rosary service. In lieu of flowers contributions may be made to Allegiance Hospice.

1988 husband Lewis' obituary

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Lewis Curtis Rozelle, age 77 years, of 113 Jay Street, Hudson, passed away Sunday, July 31, 1988, in Bixby Hospital, Adrian after a short illness.
He was born September 26, 1910, in Pittsford Township, Hillsdale County, Michigan, the son of Ira Curtis and Alma Tena (Boley) Rozelle. He lived most of his life in the Hudson area until moving to Mesa, Arizona, 19 years ago, returning to Hudson recently. He attended Hudson area schools.
Mr. Rozelle was manager of the former Kreible Feedmill in Hudson for 35 years before his retirement when the mill closed.
He married the former Victoria A. Moczarski on January 2, 1935 at Hudson. She survives. He is also survived by one daughter, Mrs. Fred (Charlene) King of West Liberty, Iowa; by two sons Rex Rozelle of Hudson and Lewis Junior Rozelle of Prudenville, Michigan; by eight grandchildren; eight great-grandchildren; five sisters, Mrs. Ruth Aldrich of Hudson, Mrs. Paul (Emily) Adams of Addison, Mrs. Leo Mae Frantom of Hudson, Mrs. Marjorie Riddle of Gilbert, Arizona, and Miss Marian Joyce Rozelle of Tecumseh, and by three brothers, Donald L. Rozelle of Hudson, Charles R. Rozelle of Casa Grande, Arizona, and Ira Junior Rozelle of Vandercook Lake, Michigan. He was preceded in death by his parents, a brother in infancy and by one sister, Mrs. Gladys Irene Dear.

1950 census record

Household Members (Name)AgeRelationship
Lewis C Rogelle39Head
Victoria A Rogelle36Wife
Rex D Rogelle14Son
Lewis J Rogelle11Son
Charlene A Rogelle8Daughter

1940 census:

Household Members (Name)AgeRelationship
Louis C Rozelle28Head
Victoria A Rozelle26Wife
Rex D Rozelle5Son
Louis C Rozelle2Son

1935 marriage record:

NameVictoria Anna Morgan
GenderFemale
RaceWhite
Age21
Birth Dateabt 1914
Birth PlaceNew York
Marriage License PlaceHillsdale
Marriage Date2 Jan 1935
Marriage PlaceHudson, Lenawee, Michigan, USA
Residence PlaceHudson, Michigan
FatherJoe Morgan
MotherStella Morres
SpouseLewis Curtis Rozelle

1920 census record:

Household Members (Name)AgeRelationship
Joseph Mokeski29Head
Stella Mokeski29Wife
Victoria Mokeski7Daughter
Stanley Mokeski5Son
Mary Mokeski3Daughter
Chester Mokeski2Son
Regana Mokeski0Daughter

 

1914 immigration record:

NameWiktorya Mocarska
GenderFemale
Ethnicity/ NationalityPolish
Marital StatusSingle
Age8/12
Birth Dateabt 1913
Birth PlaceRussia
Other Birth PlaceWizna
Last Known ResidenceWirna, Russia
Departure PortAntwerp, Belgium
Arrival Date9 Apr 1914
Arrival PortNew York, New York, USA
Residence PlaceRussia
Final DestinationSyracuse, New York
Money in Possession25
Person in Old CountryKonstanty Mocarska
Person in Old Country ResidenceNeyki Lonza
Person in USJosef Mocarska
Person in US RelationshipHusband
SpouseJosef Mocarska
Ship NameKroonland

This matches the name (Wiktorya = Victoria, Mocarska = Moczarski), location of origin (Wizna is in Łomża County, Podlaskie Voivodeship, Poland), final destination (they are next recorded in the 1920 census), as well as family (she is recorded with "Stefania Mocarska", Stella is a not uncommon Americanization of Stefania), and as having a "Josef Mocarska" in the US (her father)

Geneteka search extract:

This matches the location reported in the US document (Wizna), as well as the parents names; Jozef Mocarska & Stefania Chmielewska (her maiden name mentioned in sister's obit, among other documents for siblings). There is no specific birth date mentioned, but it is given as act 116. There are 282 total acts for the year 1913 in Wizna, which puts it at about 41%, which fits very well with a May birth (5/12 = 41%). 

Is it possible to find records for Gertruda Gorecka and Rose Girone too?

 


   
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@mrcatlord I can take a look, I have not researched their cases yet. It depends on whether or not genealogists (which is my background) have indexed the records for their places of birth.


   
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@mrcatlord I can take a look, I have not researched their cases yet. It depends on whether or not genealogists (which is my background) have indexed the records for their places of birth.

Also Margaret Romans, Bessie Krakow, and Ilse Meingast if that isn't too much

There's now 4 112-year-olds in Canada and the US born in Europe and none of them are validated right now so it would be cool to see that change

 


   
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Re: Gertruda Gorecka

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According to her gerontology fandom page, she was born in Kiebel, Province of Posen, German Empire, which is now Keblowo, Pomeranian Voivodeship, Poland. FamilySearch's church records for that town only go up until the 1880s, so I searched around on a  few other Polish genealogy sites and found some Kębłowo records on Metryki GenBaza. However, as can be seen here, there were no recorded births between 7 Nov 1911 and 23 Nov 1911 and none of the individuals born in the later half of the year have the name Gertruda. I am not entirely confident this is the same Kębłowo, as there are several towns with that name, but the filing system seems to indicate that the town is in the former Gdansk Voivodeship, which is where the relevant Kębłowo is located. Apparently the Pomeranian Genealogical Society also has indices for those records, which can be found here. I searched the 1911 year and found only one "Gertruda/e", a "Gertrud Helen Cirotzki", born in the first half of the year. Given that she immigrated in the 2000s, her immigration records are not public record yet. It would be helpful to know her maiden name to see if maybe she was born in a nearby locality.

Her https://www.przeglad.ca/pani-gertruda-nietuzinkowa-jubilatka-105-urodziny /" target="_blank" rel="noopener">105th birthday report from a Polish organization in Canada gives her location of birth as "Klebowie, w woj. poznańskie." I'm wondering if this is any of the following Polish towns:

Less likely candidates

There have been several Poznan Voivodeships. The 1919-1939 one included the following counties: Chodzież, Czarnków, Gniezno, Gostyń, Jarocin, Kalisz, Kolo, Konin, Koscian, Krotoszyn, Leszno, Międzychód, Mogilno, Nowy Tomyśl, Oborniki, Ostrów Wielkopolski, Poznań, Rawicz, Szamotuły, Środa Wielkopolska, Śrem, Turek, Wągrowiec, Wolsztyn, Września, Żnin

The 1945-1975 included the following ones: Babimojski (now Wolsztyn), Chodzież, Czarnków, Gniezno, Gorzów, Gostyń, Gubiń (now Krosno), Jarocin, Kalisz, Kępno, Kolo, Konin, Koscian, Krotoszyn, Leszno, Międzychód, Międzyrzecz, Mogilno, Nowy Tomyśl, Oborniki, Ostrów Wielkopolski, Poznań, Rawicz, Rzepin (now Słubice), Skwierzyna (now Międzyrzecz), Strzelce (now Strzelce-Dresden), Sulęcin, Szamotuły, Środa, Srem, Świebodzin, Turek, Wągrowiec, Wolsztyn, Września, Żnin

Resources: https://www.ptg.gda.pl/language/pl/pomgenbaza/przeszukiwanie-rejestrow-metrykalnych/

https://metryki.genbaza.pl/index/list

https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=pol&w=11pm

https://pomerania.genbaza.pl/

Re, Rose Girone, the Jewish records are a completely different thing. But once again, I think that someone has identified the wrong Janów on the gerontology wiki. Her entry in the Holocaust survivors database indicates a place of birth of "Janów / Lublin / Poland". There are a few possible Janows in Lublin Voivodeship; Janów, Chełm County, Janów, Lublin County, Janów Lubelski

Earliest record I can locate at the moment is her 1947 US arrival record. Her 1953 naturalization records also indicate 1912. 

 

Ilse Meingast

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As for Ilse Meingast, German birth records are notoriously hard to obtain. Her naturalization record indicates her name upon entry to the US in 1961 was "Ilse Gertrud Jacob", and that she married a man George Meingast in 1962 in Nevada. Her "alien case file" indicates she arrived in Nov 1961 in Aguadilla, Puerto Rico? Another naturalization record for her son (Klaus F Jacob) indicates birth in Neukölln, Berlin

There is a marriage record for a "Ilse Gertrud Ziebarth" marrying a Franz Karl Jacob on 26 Oct 1932. The birth date of this Ilse Gertrud Ziebarth is recorded as "14 Mar 1912", and that her birth was recorded in Neukölln III (a registry office) as certificate Nr. 443. Unfortunately, the birth records for Neukölln III are not yet online, but it seems that for about 31 euros, you can order the certificate from the Berlin state archives (after 110 years, the local registry offices send their birth records to the state archive). 

If she was born in Neukölln, there are some possible churches she could have been baptized in. I looked through most of these and didn't find any match.

Bethlehemskirche, Neukolln https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZ5-ZSM9-J?i=300&cc=3015626&cat=257875

Britz, Village Church Congregation https://www.archion.de/de/viewer/churchRegister/240043?cHash=bd2027d053eb6f17ece1aa618661eeec  

Martin Luther Church https://www.archion.de/de/viewer/churchRegister/240352?cHash=499d5aab5de55788f6d0e6bdcc3aebc2 (page 253)

Genezareth: https://www.archion.de/de/viewer/churchRegister/240079?cHash=cd0b6f661a827334ae4218bcb2b21231 (page 236)

Magdalenes: https://www.archion.de/de/viewer/churchRegister/240244?cHash=382029fecadba9d5f40fa4c7a466b0ac (page 269) - I also checked a few years after

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I searched the Berlin births on Ancestry up until 1908 to find births registered at the Rixdorf registration office. This gives a list of the following family units:

  • Friedrich Berthold Paul & Emilie Mathilde Ziebarth, with children Alfred Karl b. 1891, Frida Bertha b. 1893, Fritz Bruno b. 1895, Hedwig Elisabeth b. 1902
  • Karl August & Johanne Elvira Ziebarth, with daughter Johanne Elisabeth b. 1890
  • Julius Emil & Mathilde Emma Ziebarth, with children Alfred Karl b. 1891, Eberhard Willi, b. 1904, Erich Richard b. 1905
  • Johannes Friedrich & Martha Marie Ziebarth, with children Friedrich Wilhelm b. 1904
  • Hermann August & Auguste Ida Ziebarth, with children Egon Felix b. 1905 (baptized in 1906 at Magdalene Church)

Karl Rudolf (d. 1945) & Elise Ida Margarete Ziebarth (m. 1906), with children Erna Gertrud Margarete (b. 1906) [this is the most likely match IMO for parents]


   
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Re: Margaret Romans, it is necessary to contact the Latvian archives to see if they have a civil record of her birth or to narrow down which of the dozens of churches in Riga she would have been baptized in. 

Re: Bessie Krakow, I believe I have found her birth record:

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I searched on LitvakSAG for Levin births in Wilno and found the following record:

LEWIN, Basia


10 - 8 - 1912


Nison, 


Eteli / [Etli] SZLEPOW / [SLEPOW]

Vilnius


Vilnius


Vilnius

Birth


Vilnius


1912


F495

2205082


6


601-648


LVIA/728/4/216

recorded 12 Paidzienik1927; Family from Vilna


This record is from the LitvakSIG
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(about LitvakSIG)

Basia is short for Bathsheba, which is what Bessie derives from. I am not sure how to get to the page in the familysearch collection that has the record, however. 

The record doesn't show up very good in the table, so here is an image

 

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Re: Margaret Romans, it is necessary to contact the Latvian archives to see if they have a civil record of her birth or to narrow down which of the dozens of churches in Riga she would have been baptized in. 

Re: Bessie Krakow, I believe I have found her birth record:

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I searched on LitvakSAG for Levin births in Wilno and found the following record:

LEWIN, Basia

 


10 - 8 - 1912


Nison, 

 


Eteli / [Etli] SZLEPOW / [SLEPOW]

Vilnius

 


Vilnius


Vilnius

Birth

 


Vilnius


1912


F495

2205082

 


6


601-648


LVIA/728/4/216

recorded 12 Paidzienik1927; Family from Vilna

 


This record is from the LitvakSIG
All Lithuania Database
(about LitvakSIG)

Basia is short for Bathsheba, which is what Bessie derives from. I am not sure how to get to the page in the familysearch collection that has the record, however. 

The record doesn't show up very good in the table, so here is an image

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It's unfortunate that these cases are so hard to validate. And assuming Mrs. Krakow hasn't passed away, this is three-quarters of my country's top four

Is it possible to find records for British Columbia's oldest person Flora Wallin? The thing is, we don't know where she was born or her maiden name because the sources are just her grandson's Facebook posts. Her grandson also linked her Facebook page in his posts (which I assume a family member created and there is no posts on it) and it says she went to Vancouver Island University which means there's a good chance she was born in BC

 


   
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Posted by: @musicotic

Re, Rose Girone (...)

Earliest record I can locate at the moment is her 1947 US arrival record. Her 1953 naturalization records also indicate 1912. 

(...)

Ilse Meingast

There is an earlier naturalisation record for Rose Girone available, actually, which we've known about for quite some time.

Likewise, for Ilse Meingast, all of these records have already been in our possession for a while. I'm surprised they've only now been discovered by someone else!

 

Overduidelijk misschien.


   
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@mrcatlord i have more research on Mrs. Krakow that I'm going to post when I get the time to finish the post. I have proof that the birth record is a positive match, proof of name change, etc. there is only one record in the 20 year window, with the immigration record just one year past her 20th birthday (her family immigrated in early 1934)



   
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@mrcatlord British Columbia birth records are only publicly available up until 1903, unfortunately. Best bet would be to find a census match. I'll do some sleuthing after I finish some other work.


   
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If anyone here is willing to do research on additional emigrant SCs, would anyone here be willing to try doing further research on Joseph Saparnis's (1884?-1995) case? He might have very well been a real/true SC when he died, though there is some dispute over whether he was 110, 111, or even 112 or 113 (his WWI draft card says 1882, implying a final age of 113 for him).


   
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