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024Tomi
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Another previously unknown OLP: 

Jánosné Kemény (née Róza Berki) (29 January 1889 – 18 November 1995), 106 years, 293 days.

This means that Jánosné Kemény became OLP, following the death of 106-year-old Antalné Banga on 1 July 1995. However, who was her successor, probably Ilka Zolnai (3 Oct 1889 – fl.3 Oct 1995), or Gyuláné Greskovics (16 Dec 1889 – 25 Jan 1997). The date of death for Ilka Zolnai remains unknown, is it possible to find it on "Ügyfélkap".

 

If it was possible, I would've already found it. There's not enough information on her for me to be able to send a request for her date of death.

 

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@024tomi When the registrar enters the name and surname into the computer, the results should come out, there is a full date of birth and death in the death register. Probably, the system is different in Hungary, so more information is necessary before submitting the application. In Serbia, only the first name, last name, year of birth, and place of death are required, after that the search results will appear in the registrar's computer.

Also, a man, born in Austria-Hungary (present-day Serbia) died in Budapest and is probably the oldest known male emigrant from Serbia ever (if he surpassed the age of Mihajlo Vojnić; 14.03.1870-15.03.1978, who died in Canada at 107 years, 1 day).

That was Jenovai Jenő (17 September 1893 – fl.17 August 2000), most likey 107+ at the time of his death.


   
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@dejan if you read my earlier post, you should know that this service requires the maiden name of the deceased's mother, too. In most cases when I can't solve a limbo case with this service, it's usually the mother's name what's missing because I can't find a document showing that (not because I don't know where to search, but because those documents are simply not online).

I don't know what to say about you introducing me to Jenovai, as, like basically all but a few names on the Hungarian GW page, I discovered him. I'm currently in the process of obtaining a baptismal record for him in order to learn his mother's name and be able to request his date of death. He was very healthy even at 106, so I'm hopeful that he lived relatively long after he was last reported. 

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@024tomi Given that he left the territory of today's Serbia as long ago as 1925, he was most likely not entered in the modern electronic register of citizens of Serbia, therefore the only thing that becomes about him in Serbia is the old record of birth and baptism. You can try to apply for a baptismal certificate, and if you don't get a response, please let me know and explain which Hungarian church to contact, I can do it over the phone, however, if the Hungarian Catholic Church has donated (or taken away) the old church books state archive, then there is nothing to do with that because those books are in the archive and surely no one will open the archive in which there are hundreds of books for nothing.


   
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The oldest known living man in Hungary, Ferenc Bakó of Fertőszentmiklós celebrates his 106th birthday today. He was born in Kecskemét, on 9 November 1917.

Confirmed by his Facebook post:

1917-2023

What a distance!

And I have, by God's grace, run this distance.

My Lord, I'll praise you until I live.

Another of Hungary's oldest men, Dr. Mátyás Illéssy of Budapest turned 105 yestereday. He was born in Mezőtúr, on 8 November 1918.

Happy birthday to both of them!

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I was finally able to solve the limbo case of Ferencné Lázár (née Terézia Fási).

She was last reported alive in February 1998 at 107, but I had a strong feeling that she became the OLP later that year. She was born on 6 September 1890 in Mezőtúr, and indeed, she turned 108 and became the OLP on 23 October 1998. She died on 19 November 1998 in Baja (the same town as Veronika Zsilinszki), at the age of 108 years and 74 days.

It's quite astonishing that among Hungarian citizens born before 1890, there are three known 108+ years olds: Henrik Havasi (1882-1990), Sándorné Sárközi (1883-1991) and Istvánné Ládi (1884-1993), but 1890-1891 produced six more within 1.5 year: Istvánné Mórocz (1890-1998), Ferencné Lázár (1890-1998), Józsefné Szűcs (1890-2000), Sándorné Csorba (1890-2000), Lászlóné Fodor (1891-2000) and Istvánné Nagy (1891-2000).

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There is a very strong indication that we have a living woman in Hungary who was born in May 1912.

However, until this is fully confirmed, I wouldn't like to share any details.

If confirmed, this would mean that the age of the OLP in Hungary has been 110+ for more than six years, since 17 September 2017.

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A very pleasant surprise:

According to our knowledge so far, in Hungary, the age of 108 was first reached in 1990 (Henrik Havasi, 1882-1990), and the age of 109 was first reached in 1999 (Józsefné Szűcs, 1890-2000), counting verified cases. However, I've just been able to verifiy a woman who reached 109 in 1977.

Istvánné Vojcek (née Katalin Csidalka) was born on 24 January 1868 in Hévmagyarád, Austria-Hungary (now part of Santovka, Slovakia), and died on 24 May 1977 in District XVII, Budapest, at the age of 109 years, 120 days. 

Her only ever appearance in the media was on the occasion of her 105th birthday, when she was described to be in good physical and mental health, but sadly no biographical information was given.

Aside from being the first verified person to reach 108 and 109 in Hungary, she was the all-time recordholder for 25 years, until Józsefné Szűcs surpassed her in February 2000.

 

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Exciting news:

Vilmosné Molnár (née Irén Hauser) (b. 7 February 1916 in Budapest) - of District XIV, Budapest - has turned 107.

Birthday report

She was previously unknown to me, and as it turns out from her birthday report, her husband, renowned medical doctor and university professor Dr. Vilmos Molnár (1 August 1903 - 9 November 2006) lived to the age of 103. Together, with a combined age of 210 years and 3 months, they've recently become the oldest known couple ever in Hungary, beating the former record of circa exactly 210 years by Miklós Angelus (9 September 1909 - 31 December 2016, 107 years and 113 days) and Miklósné Angelus (née Edit Vidor) (6 March 1913 - c. Nov-Dec 2015, c. 102 years and 8 months).

Biography of Dr. Vilmos Molnár

Interestingly, Vilmosné Molnár is not the oldest living person in Budapest whose spouse lived to be a centenarian, as the husband of Ágostonné Jobbágy (Ilona, maiden surname unknown to me) (b. 5 August 1915), Ágoston Jobbágy (4 September 1909 - c. Dec 2009) died at 100 years and 3 months!

Vilmosné Molnár (née Irén Hauser) sadly died on 21 May 2023, at the age of 107 years, 103 days. Therefore, the final age of the couple was 210 years, 191 days (I discovered that Vilmos Molnár was actually born on 13 August 1903, so he lived to 103 years, 88 days).

And I could also find out the final age of the other Hungarian 210+ couple: Miklósné Angelus (née Edit Vidor) died on 13 December 2015, so the final age of the couple was 210 years, 37 days (107 years, 113 days + 102 years, 289 days). 

 

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Béláné Horváth (née Erzsébet Mérei) – of District VI, Budapest – turns 107 today. She was born on 25 November 1916 in what is now District XIX, Budapest. She was born just four days after the death of Franz Joseph I.

Pictures from two days ago:

Happy birthday to her!

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Previously unknown 108-year-old:

Dr. Istvánné Tassy (née Olga Mészáros) was born on 23 January 1914 in Szeged and died on 24 March 2022 in Sopron, at the age of 108 years, 60 days.

She was likely the 4-5th oldest person in Hungary at the time of her death.

Interestingly, she lived in the same town as Elza Brandeisz, was a teacher like Brandeisz, and a Lutheran like Brandeisz.

At 105. Source: Soproni Evangélikus Egyházközösség Facebook

May she rest in peace.

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Posted by: @dejan

Also, a man, born in Austria-Hungary (present-day Serbia) died in Budapest and is probably the oldest known male emigrant from Serbia ever (if he surpassed the age of Mihajlo Vojnić; 14.03.1870-15.03.1978, who died in Canada at 107 years, 1 day).

That was Jenovai Jenő (17 September 1893 – fl.17 August 2000), most likey 107+ at the time of his death.

Just to let everyone know, with Dejan's help, I could determine Jenő Jenovay's date of death, which is 4 November 2000, meaning a final age of 107 years and 48 days. According to our current knowledge, he was the third-oldest living person in Hungary behind Józsefné Szűcs and Istvánné Nagy (who died just 4 days later).

 

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There is a very strong indication that we have a living woman in Hungary who was born in May 1912.

However, until this is fully confirmed, I wouldn't like to share any details.

If confirmed, this would mean that the age of the OLP in Hungary has been 110+ for more than six years, since 17 September 2017.

I'm very sad to report that this turned out to be false. 🙁

A Client Gate inquiry showed that Emilné Cserháti (née Irén Schmittál), born on 16 May 1912 in Apatin, was still alive (or, more precisely, a place and date of death was not registered for this person). Since the December 2022 data of the Pension Insurance Office showed a living 1912-born woman, I assumed this must have been her.

However, I contacted a great-great-niece, who told me that she passed away in 2020, ten days prior to her 108th birthday. 

May she rest in peace.

 

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Known familial longevity records of Hungary:

Longest marriage

György Schnitz (10 Mar 1900 - 2 Nov 2002) and Györgyné Schnitz, née Terézia Wanderer (1 Jan 1906 - 30 Aug 2004), married from 28 Dec 1922 to 2 Nov 2002: 79 years, 309 days

Oldest couple (combined age)

Vilmos Molnár (11 Aug 1903 - 9 Nov 2006) and Vilmosné Molnár, née Irén Hauser (7 Feb 1916 - 21 May 2023): 210 years, 191 days

Oldest pair of sisters (and siblings)

Imréné Marcinkovics, née Mária Mészáros (7 July 1909 - Sep 2013) and Ferencné Wéber, née Terézia Mészáros (14 Dec 1912 - 1 Jan 2021): 212 years, 74-103 days

Oldest pair of brothers

Sándor Patay (17 May 1910 - 6 Aug 2011) and Pál Patay (8 Dec 1914 - 4 Oct 2020): 207 years, 17 days

Oldest mother-daughter (and parent-child) pair

Mihályné Gneisz, née Erzsébet Frühwirth (26 Sept 1873 - 22 Dec 1980) and Rezsőné Vörös, née Ida Gneisz (15 June 1908 - c. 30 Apr 2011): 210 years, c. 40 days

Oldest father-son pair

János Puskás (4 Aug 1877 - 4 Mar 1983) and János Puskás (31 Dec 1901 - 23 Jan 2002): 205 years, 239 days

Oldest person with a living parent

Sándor Csiki (1913/14-?), son of Sándorné Csiki, née Rozália Földes (18 Jan 1894 - 20 July 2004): 90 years old at the time of his mother's death.

Sándorné Csiki also lived to see a great-great-great-grandchild of hers, which is the record for the most living generations in a single family: 6 (there were likely other cases of this that I'm unaware of).

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Posted by: @024tomi

Béláné Horváth (née Erzsébet Mérei) – of District VI, Budapest – turns 107 today. She was born on 25 November 1916 in what is now District XIX, Budapest. She was born just four days after the death of Franz Joseph I.

Pictures from two days ago:

Happy birthday to her!

She sadly passed away today, aged 107 years, 26 days.

May she rest in peace.

 

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Hungary's only male supercentenarian so far, Rezső Gallai (29 January 1904 - 25 September 2014) was born 120 years ago on this day.

Here's a gallery tributing him.

Around 30:

Middle-aged:

60s-70s:

100:

101:

102:

103:

104:

105:

106:

107:

108:

109:

110:

110.5:

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Leventéné Csap (née Gizella Nemecz) - of District III, Budapest - has turned 107. She was born on 14 April 1917 in Karcag, present-day Jász-Nagykun-Szolnok County.

Source

She's one of the fittest 107-year-olds I've ever seen. This video report of her from a few weeks ago became viral in Hungary (70,000+ reactions and 1.6 million views on Facebook in a country of 9.5 million):

Watch from 4:17 especially, it's worth it!

Happy belated birthday, Gizi néni!

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Here are two maps, one showing the deathplaces of the 25 known people who died at age 109 or higher in present-day Hungary, and the other showing the deathplaces of the 28 known men who died at age 106 or higher within current country borders.

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Selfie and heartwarming Facebook post from today by Ferenc Bakó (b. 9 Nov 1917), Doyen of Hungary:

Translation:

"A summer, which I can share with our old pear tree, has come again. I'm not sure which one of us is older. It might be him, because his body, his turnk is way rougher than mine is. But this is not the interesting thing. The main point is that we can breathe together. Together, but differently: he continuously breathes out and continuously breathes in. He doesn't know rhythm, while I breathe nicely, tempo andante, one-two-three, one-two-three. We also differ in that he never puts his crown down to rest during summer, only in the winter. On the other hand, he puts me to a nap two or three times a day. We also differ in that I'm not able to save him from any environmental effect, but he can save me: from heat stroke. Thank you, Lord, for gifting me this great companion."

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