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OllieUKSCfan
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I perused the rules for attaining trusted member status last night. I thought it was strange that two of the conditions were about how many posts one makes. 50 posts within the first three months and then at least 100 posts each year to retain it. 
I would be interested to know how others feel about this?

My initial thoughts are that being a “trusted” member is about being trustworthy, clean track record, kind and polite, etc. Not about how many posts one contributes. Obviously if a person has only made a handful of posts over a period of a year or so, then finding out if they are trustworthy may be difficult.
As many came over from the 110 club, trustworthiness for many should be reasonably well known I guess. 
Im not trying to stir anything up, just curious about those two conditions in particular.


   
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You make some good points, so I’m going to play Devil’s Advocate and explain my points of view of why I both agree and disagree (mostly agree) with the requirements to become a TM. 

 

For reference, here are the requirements:

1. You will need to have been a member of this forum for at least three (3) months.

2. You will need to have made a minimum of fifty (50) posts. [Meaning... if you haven't made fifty posts in the first three months, you won't be a TM yet.]

3. You will need to have made at least one hundred (100) posts in the previous year to remain trusted member. [Applicable as of 1 March 2023]

4. You will need to have a clean track record: no bans or suspensions, and/or improved behaviour after a warning.

5. You will need to have made quality posts, i.e. more than "happy birthday!" or "RIP".

6. Trusted Membership is given at the discretion of the admin + moderators. We will need to feel you can be trusted

 

Point 1: I believe this is pretty reasonable, to be able to know members better before considering TM status for them. 

Point 2: I believe that for this point, it also seems pretty fair. If you join and then hardly post for 3 months I can understand why this rule is in place. Though from my perspective, I sometimes don’t know what to post about considering I haven’t a clue about researching supercentenarians (and so posting their biographies might come across inaccurate). But then again, most of the TM part of the forum is validation/revalidation/debunking so it seems to come full circle. 

Point 3: Also seems pretty fair, in my opinion. 100 posts over 365 days doesn’t seem like too much to ask. To be honest, my points for this requirement are pretty much the same as point 2. 

Point 4: Don’t think there’s any controversy over this one. Especially considering to get banned on this forum you go through 3 warnings which means fixing up behaviour should not be difficult. 

Point 5: This point also seems fair, saying happy birthday and R.I.P doesn’t seem to show in any way that your trustworthy. Respectful perhaps so, but trustworthy is different.

 

Point 6: Absolutely, and this ties everything up well.

 

To become a trusted member, you have to be trusted. This is because there’s a lot of information there which cannot be public (yet). Respectful is one thing, but to actually be trusted is another. And I can see why the requirements can seem kind of ‘strict’ but I know they are all within reason. I think you’re a trustworthy person anyway so I’m sure you’ll get granted access at some point or another 🙂

 

NOTE: This is coming from someone who was granted TM status without really hitting any of the requirements (I suppose I seemed trustworthy beforehand?) which gives me a wider perspective on some parts but a narrower perspective on others, so take my post with a grain of salt. I’m working towards posting more often.

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You make some good points, so I’m going to play Devil’s Advocate and explain my points of view of why I both agree and disagree (mostly agree) with the requirements to become a TM. 

 

For reference, here are the requirements:

1. You will need to have been a member of this forum for at least three (3) months.

2. You will need to have made a minimum of fifty (50) posts. [Meaning... if you haven't made fifty posts in the first three months, you won't be a TM yet.]

3. You will need to have made at least one hundred (100) posts in the previous year to remain trusted member. [Applicable as of 1 March 2023]

4. You will need to have a clean track record: no bans or suspensions, and/or improved behaviour after a warning.

5. You will need to have made quality posts, i.e. more than "happy birthday!" or "RIP".

6. Trusted Membership is given at the discretion of the admin + moderators. We will need to feel you can be trusted

 

Point 1: I believe this is pretty reasonable, to be able to know members better before considering TM status for them. 

Point 2: I believe that for this point, it also seems pretty fair. If you join and then hardly post for 3 months I can understand why this rule is in place. Though from my perspective, I sometimes don’t know what to post about considering I haven’t a clue about researching supercentenarians (and so posting their biographies might come across inaccurate). But then again, most of the TM part of the forum is validation/revalidation/debunking so it seems to come full circle. 

Point 3: Also seems pretty fair, in my opinion. 100 posts over 365 days doesn’t seem like too much to ask. To be honest, my points for this requirement are pretty much the same as point 2. 

Point 4: Don’t think there’s any controversy over this one. Especially considering to get banned on this forum you go through 3 warnings which means fixing up behaviour should not be difficult. 

Point 5: This point also seems fair, saying happy birthday and R.I.P doesn’t seem to show in any way that your trustworthy. Respectful perhaps so, but trustworthy is different.

 

Point 6: Absolutely, and this ties everything up well.

 

To become a trusted member, you have to be trusted. This is because there’s a lot of information there which cannot be public (yet). Respectful is one thing, but to actually be trusted is another. And I can see why the requirements can seem kind of ‘strict’ but I know they are all within reason. I think you’re a trustworthy person anyway so I’m sure you’ll get granted access at some point or another 🙂

 

NOTE: This is coming from someone who was granted TM status without really hitting any of the requirements (I suppose I seemed trustworthy beforehand?) which gives me a wider perspective on some parts but a narrower perspective on others, so take my post with a grain of salt. I’m working towards posting more often.

I agree with most of this. But losing out on retaining trusted member status if you posted 99 times say, instead of 100, seems a little unfair if you are trustworthy. I’m the same as you, I don’t always know what to post, although working at posting more. At the end of the day, it’s better sometimes to say nothing instead of contributing something that adds nothing to the conversation at hand.
I also don’t understand why some got almost immediate TMS on opening this site and others didn’t. 
I understand that the rules have to be strict up to a point, but I don’t really understand the relevance of number of posts. Having said that, if someone joins and hardly posts anything at all, then that’s fair enough, not enough to judge someone’s trustworthiness. 


   
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Thanks for the discussion, this is keeping us sharp as well and making us reflect on our own rules and choices.

 

The rules we've implemented are mainly aimed at making those members trusted members whose quality posts contribute to making this forum a better place.

 

True, granted, some have had the benefit of having shown quality behaviour on the 110 Club... From you, OllieUKSCfan, we simply haven't seen enough yet. I suppose that makes you unlucky in a sense and might come across as unfair. I fully realise that. It's just that we need to have a starting point / vision of what we regard as "trustworthy." We feel that the members who are TMs right now have shown this, but it doesn't mean that regular members are not showing this at the moment. We need time to observe.

 

Now, you won't lose TM status if you've posted 99 (or 98, you get the point) times within a past year and most of these were of good quality. The point is... we'd like to remain an active community. And what's the point of having TMs if they no longer show up here? What's more, 100 posts within a year amounts to not even 10 posts per month, which basically means that if you make one post every three days (or two every week), then you should already be fine. For active, engaged members, this shouldn't be too much "work."

 

However, I do think it would be wise to have a look at the list of members within the next couple of days to determine if there are some promotions or demotions to be made. We're also still in a learning process.

 

I'm sure there's more I could or should have said, so if I haven't properly or fully explained our reasoning behind the process of becoming a TM, please feel free to respond. Thanks for the feedback!


   
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@admin Thanks for the clarification. It’s all new here for everyone so, as you say, there has to be a starting point. I already much prefer the atmosphere here and commenting / contributing should be a much easier thing. Hopefully my actions / contributions will be deemed TM worthy soon. I also had not considered the fact that rules around post count is encouraging the forum to be more active. This has been very helpful 😊 thank you


   
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It's now been about a month since the discussion/feedback on TM status; we'll review our list of members once more during the second half of this month.


   
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It's taken ten days longer than planned - apologies for the delay - but we've just welcomed a couple of new, trusted members. Congratulations to them!


   
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@admin thank you 🙏 I’m very happy to be made a trusted member, so thank you 😊


   
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